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THIS TEACHER ROCKS! Entire Class Fails when Obama’s Socialism Experiment Fails

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama’s socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama’s plan”.. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A…. (substituting grades for dollars – something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.  As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.


To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed. Could not be any simpler than that. (Please pass this on) These are possibly the 5 best sentences you’ll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:

  1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
  2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
  3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
  4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!.
  5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

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Hoboken Guy
Hoboken Guy

This really oversimplifies socialism, it's like in economics classes when you show what happens with perfect competition which never actually exists.


That's beside the point however since none of the president's policies have been socialist in the least.  The stock market is on fire, corporations are making record profits, the rich are still getting richer and the poor are still having trouble getting anywhere.  


If higher tax rates for the rich are "socialist" then Eisenhower and Reagan were the biggest socialists in history, but for whatever reason they're never mentioned in the conversation.


Remember, it's a conservative's nature to deny history while claim that what's good for the rich will somehow be good for the average citizen while they laugh all the way to the bank.

AlanPowell1
AlanPowell1

you what else doesn't exist, a socialist named Obama

amigo1043
amigo1043

Holy crap.  This teacher needs to be piped into every classroom in the US.

jrh69ca
jrh69ca

I like the version below of this fairytale:

“All right everyone, because you are all such a fan of Romney’s capitalism, we’re going to treat your grades like money in a capitalist society. So I’m going to add extra rewards for doing better than your fellow students and extra punishments for doing worse than your fellow students.”

The students all agreed that this was a fair proposition. It encouraged students to study more and punished those who didn’t. At the end of the first test, some students studied hard and did really well, and some didn’t do so well. So the professor gave everyone who got good grades answers to many of the questions on the next test, and he did not tell the students who got bad grades what section he was going to test over next.

The students could have shared their information and help each other, but students were so afraid of being the worse scoring students that they wanted to make sure that there were at least some students doing worse than they were.

At the end of the class, some students were doing really well, their grades buoyed by easy tests, while most of the other students were doing really poorly. Their refusal to cooperate meant that many students had many disadvantages during the semester and could not compete with those who had it much easier, and their grades suffered as a result, thus showing how cut-throat libertarian policies result in greater economic divide and worse results for almost everyone involved.

lcat
lcat

Grades are a different currency than money. Students are (rightly) competitive about their grades, because they are ranked against each other. But people only need a certain amount of money to get by. There is no valid reason for one person to want more money than another, as long as they both can live comfortably.

slowhoa
slowhoa

There is my comments archived on internet: those reply the Time Magazine Endorse Marx Notices Class struggle by Mar Bahnisch, published on March 26, 2013. Please open a link below.

thank for you reading and sharing my experiences about the socialism.

Hoa Minh Truong ( author of 3 books)


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Kirk Marusak
Kirk Marusak

If the story is not true, then why write an article about it?  The event did not take place.  What is the name of the professor?  What is the name of the college?  When did it occur?  In a newspaper or on television news, this information would be provided.  Being honest and reporting accurately about an event is extremely important.  I do not care what the political ideology of the writer,  People want to know that what they are reading is true.  The purpose of the story was to mislead the reader because most people think the event took place.  That reduces the author's credibility. 


Dani26
Dani26

Yep, one fake experiment on a single college class in America is a perfectly legitimate and accurate representation of the entire population. Oh wait, I did just the same thing and everyone got an A as their final grade. I want homeless people to go hungry just as much as the next person but is it too much to ask for some scientific validity?

JohnJorges
JohnJorges

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.


I wasn't aware this was bible class. I thought it was a blog about obummer and his Marxist, socialist dictatorship. I wasn't aware we were in church. Sorry!

quantumas3
quantumas3

Except that's not what we have of course. If instead of averaging you subtracted a small percentage and gave it to lowest students, you would still have individual competition, while the students who failed a test won't give up completely on the rest of tests. The grades would still be in order of effort, but with a closer distribution. In fact, for all intents an d purposes, highest grade would stay highest and as the highest would be the most prestigious and equal to maximum effort or a 100%, like if spending power of all citizens decreased, the prices would fall to keep demand same. In fact, it would be similar to how most classes are graded - with a curve. No one wants to get rid of competition, as it's vital. we just don't think in a modern society a mistake or accident should cost you your life like one failed test or one time you got sick and couldn't go to a test like animals. if we want pure capitalism, move to somalia.


I'll bet anything that people who think Obama wants pure socialism are religious, as religious people are basically animals having given up logic and rational thought. So sad religious, virtually no different than insane, aren't herded like animals into insane asylums where all insane people belong for education in basics of forming rational conclusions. a bit silly to have people who think magic is real (religious) forming laws or being allowed outside of cages, while being clearly insane and not fit to even go to bathroom without supervision.

classicsii
classicsii

Isn't it something how the Bible has predicted this would all come about. And told to us, the Human Race, over six thousand years ago. It also states that Love toward one another regardless of Race or Color of Skin is what God really designed us to do.What a terrible Shame,and Waste of Energy and resources we've settled for that we all like to argue and disagree more than work together,and put "the other person First"! Even those of us that are hard to get along with see it is wrong when two children fight and argue,because they want their own way! WE CAN GET ALONG! It is not too late. God is long suffering patient and Kind...But, The door is about to close.People use your energy to Love not Hate.......Before it is TOO LATE! 

Samson Madsen
Samson Madsen

Since when was being conservative or liberal a bad thing?  Most of us are a health mix of grey shades that make up the middle ground.    This experiment shows that there are some inherent dangers of certain ideologies, dig a little deeper and you'll find some inherent dangers of most ideologies.   People are flawed and want to maximize opportunity, wealth, and status with as little effort as possible.   This is not a new concept.  Our welfare system and government run distribution of wealth is a very bad idea, but is it wrong to be charitable, giving?  If we are at an advantage in any aspect it is our duty to recognize that others are at a serious disadvantage, whether mentally, financially, opportunity, educationally.  In turn to do what we can.  In any of these scenarios giving money is the worst idea to help someone, because the receiver of the gift hasn't learned anything, give them an opportunity to earn their worth and help change the mentality of begin "poor", which applies more to just a financial position. 


Stop name calling and defending a side, because what works now wont be the norm in the future. Everything changes, everything evolves.  And the more you try to force a directive or idea the harder you crash and destroy.

Hotpepper
Hotpepper

This story is every bit as true as global warming. If the narrative fits your preconception, you'll believe its true. While I know this is just a story, I understand its premise, but suggest it would have ended differently.

After the first D, some of the higher working students would have complained to their parents or the dean and under threat of a lawsuit the teacher would have been removed. Then reassigned to a higher paying job somewhere inside of the government-funded school.

Had the experiment been allowed to continue, I would project a C-, with a few of the hardcore performers trying futility to pull the average up, while most everybody else drew patterns or picked "c".

DouglasHamilton
DouglasHamilton

I have to say some of my liberal friends don't believe this even happened. So is this story true and where can I get the proof.

RightWingRider
RightWingRider

Number 3 on that list is such a basic truth, it's mind boggling how many people don't understand this. It's a key point in every discussion I have with progressives. Government produces nothing, it only takes, uses and redistributes.

newsninja2012
newsninja2012 moderator

For the many of you that are here and degrading this scenario, why continue? It's not in your interest to degrade this story. Can it happen? Yes it can. 


Why do most of you want to discard this story but won't discard Obama lies and deceit? Just asking a question!

hanchueh
hanchueh

@amigo1043 Too bad this teacher doesn't exist. Neither does the classroom or the school.

Rocky
Rocky

@lcat  It works very similarly with currency....Have you heard of the U.S.S.R, The Empire of Rome, Greece, Hitlers Germany? All failed with rising socialistic policies.  Now the U.S. is embarking upon the same path with more and more people relying on government assistance and more and more people out of work and giving up on finding a job.  Where is the money going to come from to keep those on welfare that refuse to try?  


JohnJorges
JohnJorges

@quantumas3 Absolutely moronic, not to mention ludicrous. You must've been beaten as a child.

LorraineLynnGilmer
LorraineLynnGilmer

@classicsii Humans have never gotten along and will never get along. Just the fact you're using the Bible is a classic reason we won't. I am not Christian, I am Pagan. I will never BE Christian, and people who shovel their beliefs down others' throats are the very reason we will always have war. Take that preaching to the Middle East and see how far it gets you!

brucemcintyre
brucemcintyre

@classicsii Anything you say that starts with "six thousand years ago" must be discounted immediately.  You want to equate a fantasy in a book that has enslaved millions with a discussion on the inanity of the original poster and their fantasy posting?  god is neither long suffering or kind.. Did you ever READ THE DAMN BOOK?  Scary, full of hate, killing, misogyny, death, and dishonor.  Anyone that goes there for a morality judgement has already lost the argument.

FarmerTom
FarmerTom

@Hotpepper You are a dope, because 1) you think the experiment is real, when it's not. It never happened. It's been proven to be a hoax and 2) Global warming has been proven to be real. That science stuff. 

SmaugTheTerrible
SmaugTheTerrible

@DouglasHamilton The story is false. However, you took a nice steaming dump on a comment about the true story of implementation of socialist policies regarding education and how it succeeded. Hope you feel really bad about that, though I know you won't, because in your puny polarized universe, facts are irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that your side of the partisan line is in the right and the other side is in the wrong. Thanks so much for  bringing your old man brain into the modern age. We are so in need of cognitive decline and ancient political notions long ago reduced to relics. Please, share more of your knowledge about a world that doesn't exist anymore, goddamn septuagenarian. 


-26 and voting for execution of the elderly.

SmaugTheTerrible
SmaugTheTerrible

@RightWingRider You live on land the government took from someone else. You going to give it back? 

I strongly doubt your morality extends quite as far as your NIMBY WASP bs attitude about the redistribution of resource-derived wealth that was the results of outright thievery and exploitation to begin with. 

AlanPowell1
AlanPowell1

@RightWingRider  

UPS, Fed Ex, food distributors, trucking companies, sports stars, fire departments, the US military, and many more businesses also produce nothing, they provide services or just move things around.  Their lack of actual production of goods is a poor measure of the value of the services they provide to society.  What's more, government invests in many private businesses (Lockheed Martin, for example), allowing them to exist and produce when otherwise they would fail.  It's true that some liberals may over-value government, but you and many conservatives under-value it.  They are not as useless as your comments imply.  The next time you are on an interstate, remember that the government made it happen, even if they didn't grade the roadway personally.  The next time you marvel at a photo taken by Hubble... you get the idea.  Seems you are omitting your own key points when describing the utility of government.  

FarmerTom
FarmerTom

@newsninja2012 You present this as fact, as if it happened. Recast it as a thought exercise and there's no beef. 

SmaugTheTerrible
SmaugTheTerrible

@newsninja2012 It's in the interest of all thinking people to dissemble fact from fiction. If you can reproduce this scenario in a scientific environment, please do. If not, abandon it as a talking piece. 

paytonbaldridge
paytonbaldridge

@LorraineLynnGilmer @classicsii How exactly is he shoveling his beliefs down anyones throat Lorraine? I suppose it's ok in your mind for those like Bruce to belittle others beliefs by calling them fallacies? People expressing their beliefs is NOT the very reason we will aways have war, the reason will always have war is because people get upset when others express views that differ from theirs. 

paytonbaldridge
paytonbaldridge

@brucemcintyre @classicsii Bruce, before you go belittling an entire group of individuals you should really research the topic instead of just regurgitating misunderstood fallacies from hate mongers. People read the Bible in today's context and try to apply it in a literal context it was never intended for. You pretend to 'understand' more than those you persecute with your words and yet it is clear you have not taken the time to understand the words in their true context in both space and time as they were written. 

tiredofbums
tiredofbums

@SmaugTheTerrible@DouglasHamilton You might as well die now so you'll leave a good looking corpse. You don't get to be old being a fool. Young stupid people die all the time. You should be proud of the elderly. You would be crapping in a hole, walking everywhere and throwing rocks as weapons but for the elderly. We invented and made things. What have you invented or made today? You have but a hair's breath the get your life right. Twenty six might as well be nine or ninety nine. Your lessons in life will continue.

paytonbaldridge
paytonbaldridge

@SmaugTheTerrible You might need to take that up with the people who actually took the land in the first place. Was it wrong? Of course it was, how exactly does a wrong done hundreds of years ago have any relevancy in how hard a person worked in todays society to earn property? Let's not forget property is not only 'land'. Your premise is a poor one at best. I could be wrong, but it would seem you would have no problem taking from those who worked hard for what they have and giving to those who have not. Doesn't seem to be all that different from what was done to the Indigenous Americans all those years ago, you should be outraged at the thought. Those Native Americans worked hard to claim territories from other tribes and stake our their boundaries and here come pilgrims who had nothing but needed land to survive so good old Uncle Sam took from those who had and gave to those who needed. Sound familiar? 

RightWingRider
RightWingRider

@AlanPowell1 Nice attempt at redirect, Alan. I never said there weren't entities providing services that compliment goods produced by others. It's all part of a healthy FREE market economy. Yes, NASA was a good thing, and all of their greatest achievements occurred thankfully before the current administration or they wouldn't have happened at all. And your socialist rationale of "You didn't build that" was stupid when the boy king said it and it's no less wrong now. The government seeing to national infrastructure such as highways is part of the responsible use of tax dollars produced... by the PRIVATE sector. Government didn't make that money, the private sector did. I don't undervalue government, I just believe that it should exist in this Republic within the bounds that it was intended to. Industry takeovers, bailouts, sending billions of dollars, technology and military equipment overseas, using social entitlements as vote buys and infringing on Individual and state Freedom and Liberty with executive and judicial activism are outside of what our LIMITED government was intended to be. 

77girl
77girl

@SmaugTheTerrible@newsninja2012 Ahhh, So glad (not really) to see you back Dragon. I figured you left with your dragons tail between your legs. The reason my gelatinous ass (I think you said something similar to that) is not working right now is that my 18 year old son was in a car accident and was in a coma for two weeks and has to relearn to walk and talk again. Fortunately my husband makes enough money and I am able to stay home during my sons rehabilitation but I normally work full time. Tread very carefully with how you reply. My daughter has state competition this weekend but I will be back to spar with you later...

paytonbaldridge
paytonbaldridge

@brucemcintyre @classicsii Where exactly did I say it was full of fallacies and untruths bruce? That's the problem when you try and belittle other people's beliefs. You start to interpret things in your own way to fit your preconceived ideas. What is full of is parables which in my belief were certainly not meant to be taken literally, but rather to impart knowledge, wisdom and guidance. I don't decide what stories are true or not as you accuse and don't at all agree with those who attempt to do so. What I disagree with even more however is those who attempt to argue that none of the stories are true and can only be taken literally or not at all, to attempt that line of debate only illustrates the weakness of YOUR argument. Anytime you start essentially with the tact of "I am right and you are wrong" you have already lost any intelligent debate. Although misdirected, you were correct in your comment you don't have the right to 'decide' which is right and which is wrong. Advice you might want to heed yourself. 

CraigFine
CraigFine

@paytonbaldridge @brucemcintyre @classicsii  
How would you interpret Leviticus? Oh, let me pick a couple random passages...

God gives detailed instructions for performing ritualistic animal sacrifices. such bloody rituals must be important to God, judging from the number of times that he repeats their instructions. Indeed the entire first nine chapters of Leviticus can be summarized as follows: Get an animal, kill it, sprinkle the blood around, cut the dead animal into pieces, and burn it for a "sweet savor unto the Lord." 
Chapters 1 - 9

Or

If priests misbehave at the tabernacle by uncovering their heads, tearing their clothes, leaving with holy oil on them, or by drinking "wine or strong drink", then God will kill them and send his wrath on "all the people." 
10:6-9

brucemcintyre
brucemcintyre

@paytonbaldridge @classicsii So you admit that the book is full of fallacies and untruths.. The difference is I think the whole thing is full of fallacies and untruths.  The book is either the infallible "word of god" or it is a work of fiction, intended to enslave millions of people.  You don't have the right to 'decide' which of the stories are true, and which are not.  To attempt to do so only illustrates the weakness of your argument.

BobYoung1
BobYoung1

@SmaugTheTerrible@BobYoung1@DouglasHamilton Your "with all due respect," comes across as disingenuous. I would do a self assessment of your capabilities and awareness, since it is obvious that you don't know enough to realize you don't know very much. Good luck.

SmaugTheTerrible
SmaugTheTerrible

@BobYoung1 @SmaugTheTerrible @DouglasHamilton With all due respect, if I spend the rest of my life fighting people too stuck in their old ways to realize new possibility or too ignorant or slow to understand how something can work by creating where other people can only destroy with words, it will have been a life spent well. I intend to live a long and healthy life and waste not a bit of it. A life of courage in the face of obstinate stupidity is not one wasted by any measure, especially when the alternative is amoral abuse of those of inferior intellect through enslavement in the current system. 

SmaugTheTerrible
SmaugTheTerrible

@tiredofbums @SmaugTheTerrible @DouglasHamilton Unlike  many of the people commenting here, I take excellent care of my body. As long as I go before I hit my 80's, which is damn unlikely, I"ll be leaving an immaculate looking corpse. That's neither here nor there though. 


I am "proud" of people based on their merits, not their ability to sustain life in the medical age of life extension and the curing and expunging of conditions that have kept mortality rates high for the majority of the history of our species. That is to say that I have no reason to respect someone for being lucky. I have no reason to respect someone for being born into good circumstances. I have no reason to respect someone for being born to a set of good genetics. I have no reason to respect someone for being irresponsible with their health but responsible enough to name someone else, namely medical practitioners, to be responsible for them and profiting from it, the benefit of which would be a high chronological sum. I am going to, without the shadow of a scientific doubt, outlive every person commenting here, not only in terms of the date of death but also in terms of number of years lived. I don't intend to be praised or respected for growing very old in the age of anti senescence medicines. It's no longer a praise worthy thing. I have a grandmother pushing 80 who has the body that most 50 year olds have and had my bodybuilding grandmother still had use of both of her feet today, she would have the body of a 40 year old. She is worthy of my respect. 


By the way, you'll experience great pain and perhaps one day in the future have to have surgical intervention on your joints or spinal column because of crapping on a toilet, driving everywhere, and not chucking spears for your nightly meal. The fact that you just see the blind forward movement of innovation without any of the associated cost is part of why there is no reason to respect the old for age's sake alone. Your generation gave us many improvements, and so many more detriments, and you will live to enjoy the improvements but it is us who will have to repair what you have broken. It is my generation that has to become experts at fitness and nutrition and sleep science to combat the physiological nightmare and Procrustean bed of the sedentary 40 hour work week lifestyle. It is my generation that will have to retake mastery of agriculture and raising livestock because chemical additives, genetic modifications, and all manner of tinkering with the food supply is turning up ugly results left and right and now we can't trust what we eat unless we are assured it wasn't manipulated. It is my generation that will have to repair the economy because it was members of your generation at the top of the corporate ladder, in positions in government, and even who are the members of the cowardly and ignorant masses who are going to turn it into the boom-bust deregulated hyper-meltdown machine that we see it accelerating towards becoming. Your generation will profit from it. My generation will suffer. We'll suffer the effects of ocean oil spills that last for months and of failed nuclear reactors and we'll pay the prices. You just watch this on the nightly news. So no, whoever the hell you are, don't think you're getting a goddamn thank you from me. Your generation dropped the ball in one of the biggest ways in human history. Don't expect to get treated like you made a touchdown when you fumbled.


Btw, I'm an inventor and a creator and a creative and an entrepreneur. Whatever young bias you may have is misplaced. You forget. Yours was the consumer generation. Not mine. 

SmaugTheTerrible
SmaugTheTerrible

@paytonbaldridge @SmaugTheTerrible  Honestly, I feel no differently about wealthy do-nothings than I do about industrious bootstrappers, since the aim of all boostrappers is to create such conditions that their descendants may be wealthy do-nothings. In essence, i can't hate the egg and feel amorously towards the chicken that laid it. I have two wealthy family members and land ownership in three of the four branches of family to me. I'm not sure I would agree about first generation wealth being driven primarily by hard work. I've known, and I'm sure I'll never know, a great many people who are incredibly and persistently hard working. As has been pointed out to me elsewhere on the internet, hard work does not success make. 


Most employment structures come at the expense of the employee for the benefit of the employer. I'm not sure whether this is a good thing or a bad thing, as it's an exchange of services for currency as any other is (though not in the way most would picture it), but it's certainly a true thing. I don't support the raising of the minimum wage. The wage isn't the problem, in my opinion (neither in this conversation nor others regarding poverty) but the leverages of labor, time, and resources. 



On the subject of our good friends, the Pilgrims: "The local people were already familiar with the English, who had intermittently visited the area for fishing and trade before Mayflower arrived. In the Cape Cod area, relations were poor following a visit several years earlier by Thomas Hunt. Hunt kidnapped twenty people from Patuxet (the place that would become New Plymouth) and another seven from Nausett, and he attempted to sell them as slaves in Europe. One of the Patuxet abductees was Squanto, who would become an ally of the Plymouth colony. The Pokanoket, who also lived nearby, had developed a particular dislike for the English after one group came in, captured numerous people, and shot them aboard their ship. There had by this time already been reciprocal killings at Martha's Vineyard and Cape Cod. But during one of the captures by the English, Squanto escaped to England and there became a Christian. When he came back he found that most of his tribe died from plague"


I think that says enough on that subject. 

paytonbaldridge
paytonbaldridge

@SmaugTheTerrible @paytonbaldridge I won't bother continuing on your 'plan' as I have not caught the entire conversation so don't know what you have said to solicit the moniker of socialism directed at you. I will take you at your word, or implication, that you are not discussing re-distribution of wealth and leave it at that. I will also for the sake of argument assume when you speak of the wealthy do-nothings, you are not generalizing the wealthy, but speaking only of those actual silver spoon entitlement types. Contrary to some belief many first generation wealthy still exist and have in fact worked much harder than the average person in achieving that wealth. Also contrary to some belief that hard work does not always come at the expense of the poor. I'm sure you know all this though so I'll move on to the rest of your response and simply apologize for assuming any structure of your argument previously. 


Was there blood on European hands in land aquistion? Certainly.. I never said otherwise. You seem to want to paint a really nasty picture however that simply is not true. I spoke of Pilgrims, not the government in my comment. Are you really going to try and paint the Pilgrims as bloody handed evil beings threatening total genocide? Pilgrims were trying to survive and in spite of what you seem to believe, the government did indeed give Pilgrims the right to lands to encourage westward settlement. If you want to blame the government for doing what it shouldn't, and having blood on their hands by all means go ahead, I won't argue against that in the slightest. I'd love to know your sources for all this data on these criminally genius and sinister Pilgrims. 

SmaugTheTerrible
SmaugTheTerrible

@paytonbaldridge @SmaugTheTerrible By the way, even if my plan was to steal from people who currently have wealth, you must understand that calling that theft is patently incorrect. If I steal wood from you and build a house with it, and live in it for a decade, I should not complain if someday someone burns it down. It was never mine to begin with. Wealth derived by stolen resources (and not that you'll understand this part yet, but also through exploitation and systemic abuse) being dissolved is not a crime. It's justice. 

SmaugTheTerrible
SmaugTheTerrible

@paytonbaldridge @SmaugTheTerrible 


On the contrary, which means you are wrong, my only plans would be to stem the continued robbery of the lower and middle class by the wealthy do-nothings of the world and the newly born predecessors to future wealthy do-nothings (entrepreneurs who made it good and represent first generation wealth, perhaps the only that can ever be said to come from hard work). What premise am I working with though? For someone who required clarification on the relationship between stolen land and current wealth, you seem to have a high level of certainty regarding the structure of my argument. So, why don't you tell me what relevance the theft of real estate has to do with generational wealth? However, if you find yourself unable to do so, rather admit this and take no further stabs at trying to trace my thinking. 


Furthermore, that's not how the Pilgrim's acquired the land. Maybe that argument works for people who are unfamiliar with the history of this great nation but all european peoples that came here took land by way of deception, murder with superior weaponry, plague through spread of unfamilliar disease, and intimidation with threats of total genocide for anyone unwilling to comply with the fledling government's demands. Please don't insult the founding fathers whose hands were drenched with so much blood by downplaying the downright sinister, and criminally genius, strategies employed by early colonialists. 

SmaugTheTerrible
SmaugTheTerrible

@tiredofbums @SmaugTheTerrible @RightWingRider Lots of big accusations flung from someone who can't deny the truth of my argument. You live on land that was robbed from someone else. You have no moral ground to stand on. I'm tired of bums too you know? Especially bums like you who think they're entitled to act like they worked hard in order to own things that never belonged to them. 

defendingtheright4u
defendingtheright4u

@SmaugTheTerrible @77girl @newsninja2012

I think this woman IS contributing.   She is staying home to

avoid paying a nurse or someone to help THEIR son,

not her son........Many women have to help their husbands

when they have a setback too.   That is what is called a

family.   Maybe you don't have one.

ethossucks
ethossucks

@SmaugTheTerrible @77girl @newsninja2012 Ah smaug, yet another strawman argument. You incorrectly deduce taxation for altruism yet again and obviously vice versa. Is her husband required to pay for her, no. does he choose to, yes. You'll find socialist thought deals less with personal choice as much as forced action.I project my thoughts onto her husband seeing as you have already taken the initiative to do the same: To take care of those you love is different then supporting an unlimited number of unnamed strangers as I'm sure you would agree. It also is shown by evidence of previous claims that the matrimony creates a stable system and not one that is spiraling into an ever increasing amount of debt through arguments of misericordium. ad hominem (this is becoming a trend) and arguments of intimidation aside you fail to add any real value to the discussion with the exception of a whipping boy of those with actual points. It has come to my realization that every argument you have made has resulted in a pure ad hominem attack which was ignored for its lack of substance. You seem to take this as a victory though I would argue much differently. If you have any further comment on either your confusion between altruism and taxation I would reccomend the quote I left elsewhere, you seem to encourage scavenger hunts.... 


SmaugTheTerrible
SmaugTheTerrible

@77girl@SmaugTheTerrible@newsninja2012 Yes, correct you. I don't really want to go back and screenshot every foil I've made to an argument you were trying to make and how they went unanswered, so please don't pretend you don't have the ability to see the entire comment history and see all of the instances where you had absolutely nil to say in response to me.  You can pretend all you want but records don't lie.

Way to duck the question. What I asked was, is your husband okay with freeloaders? You aren't contributing anything right now. Who cares about what you've contributed in the past. Is he okay with taking care of people that are essentially USELESS to him economically right now? That's the only question, and we both already know the answer. It isn't about having a safety net. It's about the fact that your situation, which happens to be true, is far more telling than any fictional literature any two-bit crackpot can write up on the nature of human interactions in an economic environment and how non-economic facets of scenarios can interplay.

77girl
77girl

@SmaugTheTerrible@77girl@newsninja2012 Correct me? Are you fracking kidding me? My husband and I live within our means. We took precautions so that if one of us were unable to work either of us could carry all the bills.


Our home is paid off because of our careful planning and we didn't need anyone to PAY for us... I NEVER said people should always fend for themselves should a situation come up that they need help. I WANT there to be safety nets for people.


I think most republicans want there to be safety nets for people but not to just sit and collect and never contribute.



SmaugTheTerrible
SmaugTheTerrible

@77girl @SmaugTheTerrible @newsninja2012 Yeah, I saw your gelatinous and bored behind was having a field day with no one abound to correct you if (and when ) you make incorrect statements. How are you and your son enjoying the fruits of your husband's labor? He doesn't mind working hard for the benefit of others who are not currently contributing, right? Furthermore, you're not currently not working because your'e lazy, right?


Are there any other holes you'd like to poke in the socialism strawman that everyone's been building here? because the core concepts seem to be working pretty well for you. 

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